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Ho Chi Minh City isn't a place you can
ease into. Sights and sounds quickly surround you. Senator Chuck Hagel and
his brother, Tom, plunged into this environment without a clear idea of how
it might affect them. It didn't take long to find out.
[Tom] "This was an unusual thing because there
that spring offensive was about intensely for about two weeks. Things were
just going crazy all over the place."
The first stop was Cholon, the Chinese section of Ho Chi Minh
City. The Hagel brothers fought here during the spring offensive of 1968.
Their job was to clear the area of Vietcong soldiers.
[Chuck] "And these people would look like anybody
else. And you know, obviously they didn't have uniforms on so you'd walk by
a guy. He might look innocent enough and he didn't have a rifle, he didn't
have anything. And what he would do, they would have all these areas pre-positioned
with weapons. And they would run in to a side store here or Anywhere, pull
up a machine gun or an RVG and that fast, you know, they could they could
take out a tank or kill three or four GIs and throw the gun down and run."
[Tom] "Look at that. There's about a hundred different
places that a person can hide or dive into. They can stand out, open fire
on you, and then immediately dive into a doorway. There's nothing you can
do about it."
Chuck Hagel was 21 when he joined the Army. He was picked
to learn how to operate a new shoulder-fired missile. His orders were to go
to Germany and train others on the new weapon. Hours before he was supposed
to leave he asked for new orders.
[Chuck] "And I had my orders and I said, I'm Private
First Class Charles Hagel. Here are my orders. I'm on an order to go to Germany.
I want to volunteer to go to Vietnam And when I did that the entire orderly
room at headquarters just stopped."
This was not a frequent request. And the officers in charge
wanted to know what was going on.
[Chuck] "And I simply said, Well, if I'm going
to be in the Army I should go where they need me most. And I didn't think
Germany was that important. I thought Vietnam was the most important location
for our country and if I was going to wear this country's uniform then that's
where I wanted to be."
Chuck Hagel arrived in Vietnam December 4, 1967. At the time
he didn't know it but his younger brother had followed his footsteps and volunteered
for Vietnam. Tom Hagel got there about six weeks after Chuck arrived.
[Tom] "Frankly I grew up with this idea that every
generation had their war and okay, this is our turn. Our father had his turn;
I have pictures of great-uncles and that of tombstones up in Rushville that
served in every war. A Hagel serving in every war going all the way back I
think there was there in the Spanish-American War. I just assumed That's the
way we were brought up. I just assumed it was our turn."
Tom managed to get transferred into Chuck's unit, the Ninth
Infantry Division, B Company. More than thirty years later they returned to
the scene of a painful experience.
[Tom] "But this is what we were talking about.
About the heat this time of day, and this is not even totally surrounded by
jungle. But this intense humid heat and the especially if you're carrying
about a hundred pounds of gear. And you do it day after day after day; it
wears you down a little bit."
On March 28th, 1968 they were on an ambush patrol at a place
called Binsahn in the jungle northeast of Saigon. Chuck and Tom had been walking
point most of the day but their commander rotated them to the back. Minutes
later the soldiers who replaced them on point tripped a booby trap. Exploding
mines full of shrapnel that were planted in the trees.
[Chuck] "When you're hit like that you don't know
if the VC are all around you. You know there are explosions and there were
secondary explosions. And so the first thing that you think of is is protecting
yourself and your and your buddies. And Tom and I were next to each other
when it happened and I was hit pretty hard up in the chest area and So Tom
bandaged me. The first thing Tom did was he grabbed me and pulled me out of
the water. And then put bandages around my chest because I was bleeding pretty
good."
[Tom] "And I instinctively turned around and he
was on his back. Because I thought at the time that the only thing happened
to me was being knocked down by the concussion so I assumed that's the only
thing that happened to him until I went back and looked at him. And I could
see blood on the front of his shirt, and I tore his shirt open and that's
when geysers of blood went up. And so I got out my, you know the bandage and
wrapped him up."
[Tom] Finally we were able to clear an area well enough
to get get the really seriously wounded out first. They had to drop baskets
down into the thicket of trees and we had to cut down trees with machetes
to get the baskets down. And then load the very serious wounded in those baskets
first.
[Tom] "And then after all of that was over with,
we were told by them our commanders who were not there, of course, that they
could not extract us with helicopters because the jungle was too thick. And
so that weird have to walk out."
[Chuck] "So, if weird still been walking point
most likely we both each been killed or wounded a lot worse than we were because
those guys at the front took it took the first I mean, the bad, bad hit on
this thing."
[Tom] "To think that we were a couple yards away
from where friends of ours were killed and maimed and we were wounded. I mean,
that's incredible experience. I find it that way, and especially the everything
was so incredibly real. The smells, the heat, the surrounding jungle and all
this, it almost is overpowering for me because it put me right back there."
But the Hagel's visit to Vietnam was more than a journey into
the past. Senator Chuck Hagel was fixed firmly on the future when he met with
leaders of a government he once fought.
[Chuck] "We must all move forward and anchor our
relationship on the hope and the prospects of a better world."

Diplomacy was the official reason for Senator Hagel's trip
to Vietnam. He raised the flag over the new U.S. Consulate in Ho Chi Minh
City.
The consulate is on the site of the former U.S. Embassy to
South Vietnam. The evacuation of the embassy marked the fall of Saigon in
1975. It marked the end of U.S. military involvement in Vietnam. Now this
place is a symbol of a different relationship between the two nations.

[Pete] "So while this building represents a physical
structure of reconciliation, these two individuals physically in a human way
suggests that reconciliation as well."
Ambassador Pete Peterson is a native of Omaha, but he shares
more than Nebraska roots with the Hagels. He was a pilot during the war with
Vietnam. He was shot down and spent years in the infamous Hanoi Hilton POW
camp.
[Pete] "It was just very perfect to have him come
back and to go through the process of true reconciliation on the ground. He
had clearly done so in his own mind but he hadn't seen where he had been.
And the cathartic aspect of it hadn't been completed. I just thought it was
useful for him to come back; and for him then to bring his brother Tom with
his is just a wonderful event."
[Chuck] "Great changes have happened for the better
in Vietnam. It is the twelfth largest country in the world. Almost eighty
million people. Vast, rich country. It's going to be a major Asian power economically,
geopolitically, as it develops. America wants to have a role in helping shape
that. Be on the inside, not the outside. I think we have a rather significant
future with Vietnam."
Tom and Chuck Hagel still carry shrapnel in their bodies from
that booby trap at Binsahn. It will always be with them. Other, less tangible
evidence of their service lingers as well. Thought of what happened and what
didn't happen.
[Chuck] "There is no glory in war, there's only
suffering in war. And there is nothing pretty about it, it's a very messy,
bad business. And a lot of innocent people get hurt. but but the emotional
psychological physical pressure that is on the soldier who has to carry out
the the day to day dirty business of war is something that most people can
have no true appreciation of. And I I understand that. But, this kind of an
experience I think helps frame this in a very real in a real way. And also
reminds us of the of the frailties of who we are as humans. And the breaking
points that we all have."
[Tom] "When Chuck and I went through wasn't unique.
Just multiply that by a couple hundred thousand. I consider both of us incredibly
fortunate. But those people I don't even worry anymore about the people who
were killed. That was bad enough. What I worry about are the people who are
still in veterans hospitals and that, with no legs, or half their brain gone,
or paralyzed who still have to live this through the folly of some politicians
who have walked away clean."
Reporting for STATEWIDE, I'm Brad Penner.
